Nasim and Sailer fight over IQ, but how can I show that I poasted Nasim's thred myself long time ago? He is right that it tests aptitude primarily for modern office work. No doubt this correlates with real intelligence, but isn't the same.

I've known very smart, quickwitted in turd world who wouldn't have patience to sit through exam. Halfway through they might start filling out answers at random or walk out...tempted to say some great men of past like Hernan Cortes or Walter Raleigh might have done the same

I'm not saying this to be "nice." The historical record of peoples is proof of their abilities or lack thereof, as well as the impression of reasonable travelers. Why do you need IQ rankings if just this is your concern? IQ rankings can even mislead....

Chinese IQ is misleading...I think that nation has an undistinguished intellectual past, and not much future possibility. Japan is better but without the white West I firmly believe science and technology would slowly die off. People unaware of low level of sciences in Asia

dust king @UltimaA says: People get excited about the age of Chinese civilization, but in all their thousands of years there’s hardly any literature and philosophy worth mention, and the rate of scientific advancement was extremely slow relative to the west for all that time.

BAP responds: they've had numerous "cultural revolutions" in which tens of millions died, slate was wiped clean and memory of previous age was wiped out or completely falsified. They have civilization in the sense they've always lived in houses